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First, let me apologize for the book I am writing. I appreciate approaching such a tough and controversial topic as how to reconcile the violence of the “Old Testament God” with the merciful “God of the New Testament”. “The Twilight Zone”. I am very familiar with Greg Boyd and I can honestly say he is one of my favorite theologians and one of my heroes. There are multiple reasons that I so appreciate Dr. Boyd, but among the top reasons is his work on “The Cross and the Sword.” His courage to present this topic to his church and lose 20% of his parishioners in the process was a very inspiring and timely move. It was such a breath of fresh air for an evangelical to push back against the erroneous marriage of politics and Christianity that much of the Church was endorsing. See NY Times article. I find his sermons to be so “spot on” with my own understanding of God and the mission of the modern church.
That said, the sermon on The Twilight Zone left me wanting. It’s not that there was such a big disagreement on what was presented, but more so, a feeling of incompleteness in the picture. Full disclosure, I am no theologian, and therefore my arguments are not going to be as well researched or disciplined as yours or Dr. Boyd’s. I liked what he said about how we need to view God thru the lens of the cross in order to get a full picture. The Old Testament has a major redemptive theme of the coming of the Messiah whose primary mission is to “seek and to save that which is lost” and the New Testament reveals the promise being fulfilled. So the cross does appear to be “the Gift” that God gave to mankind and we can learn a lot about Him through examining multiple aspects of this gift. What did it cost? (the Trinity splitting for the 1st/only time in creation)? Who paid the price? (God/Christ alone) What does it cost us?(nothing-grace/everything-living sacrifice)
If we are to understand the nature of God through examining the cross, I think we have to look at the “mechanics” of the cross. The primary purpose of the cross was to redeem mankind, but how did that occur? Now here is where I may depart from Greg’s description of God. We are told “Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin”. Jesus was “the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world”. So if Jesus was the solution to the sin problem and man’s separation from God, then there was a plan all along to VIOLENTLY sacrifice him. Now before you start blowing a whistle and throwing the heresy flag, hear me out. I have struggled with (and still do) the “why” of the need for blood for the remission of sins, but for whatever the reason, I would argue that the only way to introduce blood is through violence. Looking at the Old Testament, I can’t think of a time that blood was used when a life was not extinguished (no donations/red cross or similar means to obtain the blood back in the OT days). I would further argue that violence is only a temporal phenomenon, i.e., only related to life here on earth, therefore not of an eternal consequence. EXCEPT the violence that was perpetrated on Christ, by God himself (John 3:16). All the other deaths that have occurred and will occur are of little eternal value. The death of Christ was the only one that has the potential to save all mankind.
For this reason, I have a hard time seeing God without an ability to be violent. I guess its important to define violence, here and I would simply say it is related to actions that lead to ending a life. My fear is if we take out the violence of the gospel, we will take away its power. All the sacrifices in the OT, had a restorative nature to them, to set right the relationship between man and God. Christ was the ultimate blood sacrifice (which is not possible without violence), but the violence/sacrifice doesn’t end there. Now the sacrifice has turned into a daily practice of dying to self, killing off personal wants/needs to sacrifice for a greater good larger than ourselves—present your bodies a living sacrifice (Rom. 12:1,Matt. 16:25) So there is the full circle of violence, to now “kill off the old man” or “die to self” so that we are serving God. Take away this “violence” and you take away our primary mission in life.
As mentioned earlier, I am no theologeon and there can be a thousand holes in my theory. I would be honored to hear from you, but also understand only so many hours are in a day. Please feel free to pick it apart and help me to better reconcile a loving God with a history of violence. Thanks for your podcast and generosity to share such talented teachers with the blogosphere.
Howard
To Howard Dodson:
I too am wrestling with the “need” for violence in the plan of salvation. Hebrews 9:22 is the origin of “Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins” and it points to “the law.” What if this law is literally the “laws of the land?” Compare Exodus 19:5 (https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/exo/19/1/t_conc_69005) where God tells Moses and Israel that “the earth is mine.” There is reason to believe that this means “the inhabitants of the earth (look at Exodus 19:5 in the Blue Letter Bible concordance — the definitions of the phrase “for all the earth”: Aiii and Di — inhabitants of the land or people of the earth). Now look at John 14:30. So, while the world (territory) is currently in the control of Satan (John 14:30), the “Inhabitants of the land” or “people of the earth” are God’s (Exodus 19:5).
Take another look at Genesis 3 where we first meet the subtle serpent (a story so true it can only be comprehended in metaphor and allegory). In Genesis 3:5 the famous line is, “your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” Look at the word-by-word Hebrew of that verse here in the Blue Letter Bible page
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/3/1/t_conc_3005
The English word “gods” is the Hebrew word ‘elohiym. It has the primary definition of God and secondary definition of god. The tertiary definition is Judge and it is “occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates.” As I was reading this, a few months ago, I was struck by the interpretation that ALWAYS bothered me — why was the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil a “bad” tree? Why was it in the garden? If I read it with the “subtlety” of a power grab it makes sense — what do we do with a knowledge of good and evil? We use it to avoid evil…of course! But while we are avoiding evil, the natural inclination is to codify it, document it, develop punishments for committing it and hold others to these new found descriptions of Good and Evil.
With all these codified standards, there needs to be a “magistrate” to explain it, and law enforcement to make sure everyone behaves in accordance with it.
Then…somebody commits the unthinkable or wants to “improve” it…Not on my watch…not in this town! Cain headed to Nod after committing the unthinkable, killing Abel. New Magistrates, new rulers, new law enforcement. Groups of people form with slightly differing codes of laws. All these new groups of people need leadership…Ye shall be as gods (rulers, magistrates). What if all these people groups had leaders that answer(ed) to the “Prince of this World” John 14:30.
What if God delivered a law in Exodus that “limited” the generally accepted punishments and sacrifices associated with the codified laws of the time. What if “God’s” laws of sacrifice were “limits” on existing practices of sacrifice that were already being practiced (this and no more)?
What if the subtle serpent offered Adam and Eve the EXACT same thing he offered Jesus in Matthew 4:8-10? What if God’s method of bruising the “head” of Satan, was to fulfill the codified law of this world by taking the punishment associated with violating these laws instantiated by the self-proclaimed “Prince” of the world and adhered to by people who knew no better? That sounds like a plan to “save” the world by fulfilling the laws of the world. The “perfect” sacrifice to satisfy the law (whose law?) and set the people of the world free — Jesus Christ submits and yields himself to the law that demands a sacrifice (death) for falling short of the law — he becomes the ultimate limit on the law and begins the coronation march associated with the Kingdom of God. What if when Jesus Christ died he fulfilled “the law” of the land, freed the inhabitants from the prison of religious law (Orthodoxy [capital “O”], and made Satan’s head the doormat at the the exit gate? Enter the Holy Spirit who guides us into ALL truth!
I am firm believer living in the question, sharing the study and showing the love of Christ!